1) What would you say to the families of Jocelyn Nungaray and many others whose loved ones have been killed by illegals? Would you read them this article? How would you feel if your wife or daughter was raped and murdered by an illegal?
2) Do you follow the logic that all illegal immigrant crime is preventable because under a functioning system, none of them would be in the country?
3) How would the illegal immigrant crime rate compare to US citizens if you excluded data from the ~3% of citizens who commit ~50% of the violent crime and vote ~90% Democrat?
1) What fundamentally matters is the reduction of overall crime rates in the world because that saves more lives than closed border or limited immigration alternatives. You are ignoring the cost of closed borders when you just say "what would you say to 'xyz' family about bad people killing their loved ones" because the killer is more likely to be stopped in developed countries by developed country police, law enforcement, investigation agencies VERSES the killer being in the developing country and evading the police of those countries.
2) You are simply moving the problem somewhere else and making it worse by closed borders or immigration restrictionism. Crime is crime no matter who commits it. Victims are victims no matter where their location is.
3) Open borders would reduce global crimes precisely because of better institutions and incentives due to capitalism in developed countries and immigrants would have plenty of work or jobs available to them than compared to say Congo, Haiti, etc. such that immigrants will commit less crimes because they have jobs and better incentives.
thanks. A lot of these anti-immigration or immigration restrictionist people use poor reasoning. They, unintentionally or sometimes intentionally, either totally or near totally ignore the benefits to the immigrants or the costs to the immigrants in their cost-benefit analysis of open borders VERSES closed borders scenario. What fundamentally matters is wellbeing or happiness, and we count everyone's wellbeing or happiness. And the happiness of a Mexican or Latino child matters no less and no more than the happiness of White/Black/Asian child in the United States. We don't discount happiness of any sentient being.
Because - "when we suffer, we suffer as equals, and in their capacity to suffer, a dog, is a pig, is a bear, is a boy." - Phillip Wollen
Do we have data on the victims of immigrants? Are immigrants somehow more likely to murder the native-born? I’d imagine murders happen for the same motives regardless nationality. If we say the murder criminality rate is less than the native born as well as the predominant victim being another immigrant, this would seem an even stronger argument against the fear of criminal immigrants affecting the native born.
When I sent this article to local law enforcement who have warned of increased crime if we continue to sponsor migrants in our community I received this response:
. “I always question data. While I’m not stating it’s false I read the article and have a few questions. How can you compare per 100,000 when I’m not sure any community actually knows how many immigrants there are. This comes back to states like montana can not question immigration status until a criminal charge report.
While I see the discussion important, it’s more towards how do you deal with backed up systems and still continue to allow 1,000’s a day. Law Enforcement investigates crime not based on status but on the collection of information for prosecution. Legal status doesn’t come into play until federal agencies determine if it’s a violation of their citizenship. “
Please tell us how illegal migrant numbers can be tallied or estimated since they must live in the shadows. I would like to respond to the objection that was made so that the conclusion of this study can be accepted.
A few follow up questions:
1) What would you say to the families of Jocelyn Nungaray and many others whose loved ones have been killed by illegals? Would you read them this article? How would you feel if your wife or daughter was raped and murdered by an illegal?
2) Do you follow the logic that all illegal immigrant crime is preventable because under a functioning system, none of them would be in the country?
3) How would the illegal immigrant crime rate compare to US citizens if you excluded data from the ~3% of citizens who commit ~50% of the violent crime and vote ~90% Democrat?
https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/illegal-immigration-800-deaths-laken-riley
1) What fundamentally matters is the reduction of overall crime rates in the world because that saves more lives than closed border or limited immigration alternatives. You are ignoring the cost of closed borders when you just say "what would you say to 'xyz' family about bad people killing their loved ones" because the killer is more likely to be stopped in developed countries by developed country police, law enforcement, investigation agencies VERSES the killer being in the developing country and evading the police of those countries.
2) You are simply moving the problem somewhere else and making it worse by closed borders or immigration restrictionism. Crime is crime no matter who commits it. Victims are victims no matter where their location is.
3) Open borders would reduce global crimes precisely because of better institutions and incentives due to capitalism in developed countries and immigrants would have plenty of work or jobs available to them than compared to say Congo, Haiti, etc. such that immigrants will commit less crimes because they have jobs and better incentives.
Don't let the truth get in the way of performative racism from a hypocritical white immigrant.
thanks. A lot of these anti-immigration or immigration restrictionist people use poor reasoning. They, unintentionally or sometimes intentionally, either totally or near totally ignore the benefits to the immigrants or the costs to the immigrants in their cost-benefit analysis of open borders VERSES closed borders scenario. What fundamentally matters is wellbeing or happiness, and we count everyone's wellbeing or happiness. And the happiness of a Mexican or Latino child matters no less and no more than the happiness of White/Black/Asian child in the United States. We don't discount happiness of any sentient being.
Because - "when we suffer, we suffer as equals, and in their capacity to suffer, a dog, is a pig, is a bear, is a boy." - Phillip Wollen
How are illegal immigrants population numbers estimated?
Do we have data on the victims of immigrants? Are immigrants somehow more likely to murder the native-born? I’d imagine murders happen for the same motives regardless nationality. If we say the murder criminality rate is less than the native born as well as the predominant victim being another immigrant, this would seem an even stronger argument against the fear of criminal immigrants affecting the native born.
When I sent this article to local law enforcement who have warned of increased crime if we continue to sponsor migrants in our community I received this response:
. “I always question data. While I’m not stating it’s false I read the article and have a few questions. How can you compare per 100,000 when I’m not sure any community actually knows how many immigrants there are. This comes back to states like montana can not question immigration status until a criminal charge report.
While I see the discussion important, it’s more towards how do you deal with backed up systems and still continue to allow 1,000’s a day. Law Enforcement investigates crime not based on status but on the collection of information for prosecution. Legal status doesn’t come into play until federal agencies determine if it’s a violation of their citizenship. “
Please tell us how illegal migrant numbers can be tallied or estimated since they must live in the shadows. I would like to respond to the objection that was made so that the conclusion of this study can be accepted.
Thanks.