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While it would not address the problem of existing student loan debt, i think stronger mandates for basic classes in economics and financial decision making in high school, would solve most student debt problems as it would drive people away from getting college degrees that are not worth the (public and private) resources spent on them. If more people had to go through a course where they had to do draft financial planning under multiple scenarios from 18 through retirement and death, then you would have less people making bad financial decisions that impact them for the rest of their lives when they are basically still children.

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1. Strawman. The DSA didn't say to abolish prices. It said to move health insurance and housing into the public sector. There is no shortage of countries that do have single-payer health insurance (you list several yourself) and more than a few that have large parts of the housing market provided by the public sector (eg Singapore, Hong Kong).

2. You will have a lot of trouble convincing anyone in the US or any other rich country that markets are working well for them. This is one issue that unites left and right.

3. The DSA would be thrilled if the US became like Denmark. You keep citing examples such as the USSR and Venezuela that bear little resemblance to what actual socialists typically propose. Nothing in the proposals you quote sounds anything like the USSR.

4. You must know that their proposal is simply to shift costs from out of pocket fees and insurance premiums over to taxes. All available evidence suggests that the private sector does a WORSE job at containing costs in health care and education than the public.

5. Rent control would indeed cause shortages if it reduced the ability to build. But in most saltwater parts of the US, there is already little ability to build; rent control simply stops monopolists from raising prices. The ultimate solution is of course to restore the ability to build. But this cannot be done profitably for the entire population by the private sector. There is no way to make a profit building housing for the poor. You need social housing.

6. Actually plenty of successful capitalist economies do operate with large swathes of the economy under the control of sovereign wealth funds and the like. Meanwhile, the private sector has repeatedly trashed the world economy; the financial crisis of 2008, the Asian crisis of 1998, etc, etc, all caused by the private sector being under-regulated and taking on too much risk. The AI bubble is likely to become yet another such episode.

7. Most issues with the wealth tax are trying to apply it nationally when wealth is global. You need a global treaty on wealth to make taxation of it practical; hammering this out is the work of years, maybe decades. Nonetheless the biggest obstacle to this...is American opposition. As for the tax itself, yes it is one off, it should go to a sovereign wealth fund rather than pay for government operations directly. But what would be wrong with that?

8. All the objections to the 32 hour work week are identical to what was said about the 40 hour work week, and the 48 hour before that. Federal jobs guarantees don't have to be direct government employees, they can be placements in the private sector. Denmark (them again!) has an extensive retraining/labor market adjustment program like this.

9. But you're missing the enormous social impact growing college debt has - and the fact that, by piling students with increasing debt, colleges have no incentive to control costs. And, of course, private colleges cost much MORE than public ones! If anything the DSA is not socialist enough here. Why can't Harvard be nationalized? Oxford and Cambridge run perfectly well as public institutions and charge less than £10,000 a year.

10. I don't think the DSA proposed any additions to criminal law, just some tax increases, rent controls, nationalizations, and more programs. You yourself point out that it has been the right vastly expanding the scope of the police/prison system - and do you really think it's not full of patronage and corruption?

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