I have been willing to give the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt twice, first in 2017, and again in 2025. While initially, it seemed, that we might get a bevy of policies that undo the mistaken policy choices since the 1960s (spending cuts, regulatory reform...etc), we are quickly devolving into draconian, zero-sum, "down-wing" political maneuvers.
We are told to "fear only fear itself" when it comes to tariffs, but with dozens of countries soon to be travel banned, it's clear that this administration is using fear as a policy tool....fear of people. Ostensibly, travel-banned nations find themselves on this list because they do not conduct proper vetting, but I find this difficult to believe.
Now, 150k families will be torn apart and many others, mine included, wonder which country will be banned next. The "right" has, correctly, disparaged the "left" for identity politics, for lumping groups of people together, and for failing to recognize the primacy of the individual. Yet this is precisely what this measure does.
With the stroke of a pen, millions of people, through no fault of their own, are forbidden from entering the US for any reason: vacationing, meeting friends and family, a trip to Disney, a business trip...
When is Congress going to step in and pull back the Presidency? This goes for both parties. The President is now largely immune from prosecution, can pardon whomever he wants...even preemptively, he can prevent entry into the US for any reason, raise taxes unilaterally, can ban apps and websites almost at will, and is now arguing that he has unrestrained authority to deport any non-citizen.
This is not fair. This is what Iran government wants. They want to cut the relation of the majority of Iranian people who have a high tendency to US. Iranian people love the USA very much, and many Iranian scientists and engineers are living in the US. The Iranian community is one of the most successful parts in the USA with a minimum possible crime. Please do not decide what Iran govermnet wants and is not able to do. We Iranians, can help the US to hold the leadership and stand against China and Russia. Do not ban us. This is a big mistake. Let ask from Americans who have ever traveled to Iran.
Looking at the map it mostly looks like shithole countries you wouldn’t want immigrants from. I would quibble with removing a few from the list, but support the overall sentiment.
Pretty stupid to have a system where all countries have to be treated equally here. It’s not like we treat countries equally for trade, intelligence sharing or military alliances, so why say immigration can’t discriminate?
Pretty retarded way of interpreting what I said. But if you’re saying that someone saying they fell in love online should override all other security concerns, then obviously no I don’t agree with that
Do you think it is morally right to separate children from their parents and spouses for at least four years simply because they weren’t born in the U.S.? What do native-born Americans have that naturalized citizens or legal residents don’t? Why should the former have the unquestioned right to be with their families while the latter are forced to endure years of painful separation?
If you married an Angolan, or whatever, and had babies that are citizens there, just go live there with your new family. Then we don’t have to deal with you being sad or terrorists or welfare cases being funneled through the country
So your solution to keeping families together is forced exile? You’re saying that if someone marries a foreigner, they should be required to leave the U.S.—losing their job, their community, and possibly their American relatives—just so you don’t have to “deal with” their emotions? That’s not an argument; that’s a justification for cruelty.
Besides, your reasoning contradicts itself. You want to avoid “welfare cases” but would rather force productive, law-abiding residents and citizens out of the country, even when they contribute economically. You fear “terrorists,” yet your policy forces families into unstable conditions that increase hardship and resentment. It’s not about security or self-sufficiency—it’s just an excuse to deny rights to people you don’t think deserve them.
And fundamentally, your position assumes native-born Americans are entitled to family unity while naturalized citizens and legal residents are not. If you believe in fairness, explain why one group’s right to family is unquestioned while the other’s is conditional on government permission.
People have a prima facie right against harmful coercion—that is, unless there is an overriding reason to justify it. But no such reason exists here.
If you don’t want to deal with sad people, terrorists, or welfare cases, I have a simple solution: let their spouse and kids come to the U.S. Problem solved—no more sadness. Don't give social assistance to their non-native-born families—welfare problem solved.
People who fear foreign terrorists are irrational. As Alex Nowrasteh recently wrote:
"There were 237 foreign-born terrorists who committed or planned attacks on U.S. soil since 1975. They murdered 3,046 people in attacks—about 97.8% of them on 9/11, the deadliest terrorist attack in world history. The last foreign-born terrorist to kill people in the U.S. was Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, a Saudi military officer assigned to train with the U.S. military, who murdered three people in a shooting at the Naval Air Station in 2019. The annual chance of being murdered in an attack committed by a foreign-born terrorist on U.S. soil is about 1 in 4.6 million per year. To put that in perspective, the annual chance of being murdered in a normal homicide during that time is about 330 times greater."
Fearing foreign terrorists is like being afraid to fly on a commercial plane. The odds of being killed in a terrorist attack by a foreign-born individual are 1 in 4.6 million per year—comparable to the 1 in 11 million chance of dying in a plane crash. Avoiding immigrants due to terrorism fears is as irrational as refusing to fly because one in millions of flights might crash. It’s an emotion-driven fear, not a fact-based concern.
A partner to a us citizen has a right to share in the prosperity of US for the sake of them and their children. That is a right afforded by god and the constitution. Quit being so spiteful and envious of immigrants.
I have been willing to give the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt twice, first in 2017, and again in 2025. While initially, it seemed, that we might get a bevy of policies that undo the mistaken policy choices since the 1960s (spending cuts, regulatory reform...etc), we are quickly devolving into draconian, zero-sum, "down-wing" political maneuvers.
We are told to "fear only fear itself" when it comes to tariffs, but with dozens of countries soon to be travel banned, it's clear that this administration is using fear as a policy tool....fear of people. Ostensibly, travel-banned nations find themselves on this list because they do not conduct proper vetting, but I find this difficult to believe.
Now, 150k families will be torn apart and many others, mine included, wonder which country will be banned next. The "right" has, correctly, disparaged the "left" for identity politics, for lumping groups of people together, and for failing to recognize the primacy of the individual. Yet this is precisely what this measure does.
With the stroke of a pen, millions of people, through no fault of their own, are forbidden from entering the US for any reason: vacationing, meeting friends and family, a trip to Disney, a business trip...
When is Congress going to step in and pull back the Presidency? This goes for both parties. The President is now largely immune from prosecution, can pardon whomever he wants...even preemptively, he can prevent entry into the US for any reason, raise taxes unilaterally, can ban apps and websites almost at will, and is now arguing that he has unrestrained authority to deport any non-citizen.
This, I fear, doesn't lead to the promised land.
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This is not fair. This is what Iran government wants. They want to cut the relation of the majority of Iranian people who have a high tendency to US. Iranian people love the USA very much, and many Iranian scientists and engineers are living in the US. The Iranian community is one of the most successful parts in the USA with a minimum possible crime. Please do not decide what Iran govermnet wants and is not able to do. We Iranians, can help the US to hold the leadership and stand against China and Russia. Do not ban us. This is a big mistake. Let ask from Americans who have ever traveled to Iran.
Looking at the map it mostly looks like shithole countries you wouldn’t want immigrants from. I would quibble with removing a few from the list, but support the overall sentiment.
Pretty stupid to have a system where all countries have to be treated equally here. It’s not like we treat countries equally for trade, intelligence sharing or military alliances, so why say immigration can’t discriminate?
So you’re saying wives and husbands should never join their partners in the US. Because they’re not entitled to love? That is disgusting
Pretty retarded way of interpreting what I said. But if you’re saying that someone saying they fell in love online should override all other security concerns, then obviously no I don’t agree with that
There should be security to identify a person. But to reject someone outright even if they’re married and have children is just plain disgusting.
Even if some of that discrimination is wrong?
The post does little work establishing that any of the banned countries do, in fact, have good control of crime/terrorism/their own territories.
More to the point, even if a decision was erroneous, what of it? They’re ’discriminated’ out of something they were never entitled to anyways?
Do you think it is morally right to separate children from their parents and spouses for at least four years simply because they weren’t born in the U.S.? What do native-born Americans have that naturalized citizens or legal residents don’t? Why should the former have the unquestioned right to be with their families while the latter are forced to endure years of painful separation?
If you married an Angolan, or whatever, and had babies that are citizens there, just go live there with your new family. Then we don’t have to deal with you being sad or terrorists or welfare cases being funneled through the country
So your solution to keeping families together is forced exile? You’re saying that if someone marries a foreigner, they should be required to leave the U.S.—losing their job, their community, and possibly their American relatives—just so you don’t have to “deal with” their emotions? That’s not an argument; that’s a justification for cruelty.
Besides, your reasoning contradicts itself. You want to avoid “welfare cases” but would rather force productive, law-abiding residents and citizens out of the country, even when they contribute economically. You fear “terrorists,” yet your policy forces families into unstable conditions that increase hardship and resentment. It’s not about security or self-sufficiency—it’s just an excuse to deny rights to people you don’t think deserve them.
And fundamentally, your position assumes native-born Americans are entitled to family unity while naturalized citizens and legal residents are not. If you believe in fairness, explain why one group’s right to family is unquestioned while the other’s is conditional on government permission.
People have a prima facie right against harmful coercion—that is, unless there is an overriding reason to justify it. But no such reason exists here.
If you don’t want to deal with sad people, terrorists, or welfare cases, I have a simple solution: let their spouse and kids come to the U.S. Problem solved—no more sadness. Don't give social assistance to their non-native-born families—welfare problem solved.
People who fear foreign terrorists are irrational. As Alex Nowrasteh recently wrote:
"There were 237 foreign-born terrorists who committed or planned attacks on U.S. soil since 1975. They murdered 3,046 people in attacks—about 97.8% of them on 9/11, the deadliest terrorist attack in world history. The last foreign-born terrorist to kill people in the U.S. was Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, a Saudi military officer assigned to train with the U.S. military, who murdered three people in a shooting at the Naval Air Station in 2019. The annual chance of being murdered in an attack committed by a foreign-born terrorist on U.S. soil is about 1 in 4.6 million per year. To put that in perspective, the annual chance of being murdered in a normal homicide during that time is about 330 times greater."
Fearing foreign terrorists is like being afraid to fly on a commercial plane. The odds of being killed in a terrorist attack by a foreign-born individual are 1 in 4.6 million per year—comparable to the 1 in 11 million chance of dying in a plane crash. Avoiding immigrants due to terrorism fears is as irrational as refusing to fly because one in millions of flights might crash. It’s an emotion-driven fear, not a fact-based concern.
So you hate black and mixed race people and think they can’t live here because of it?
Again, that is disgusting!🤢
Quit being spiteful and envious towards immigrants.
Blocking now cause at best you’re trolling
A partner to a us citizen has a right to share in the prosperity of US for the sake of them and their children. That is a right afforded by god and the constitution. Quit being so spiteful and envious of immigrants.